Vintage Grammys thoughts

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Which artists have the most losses in the big 3 (Album, Record, and Song) without a win? I'm wondering if there is a common thread between them. Ones I can think of:

Mariah Carey - 8 (3 Album, 3 Record, 2 Song)
Eminem - 8 (3 Album, 3 Record, 2 Song)
Bruno Mars - 8 (4 Record, 3 Song, 1 Album; 2 are for his work on Cee Lo's "Fuck You")
Kanye West - 7 (3 Album, 3 Song, 1 Record)
Justin Timberlake - 6 (4 Album, 2 Record; should be noted 2 of his Album noms are small credits for other artists)
TLC - 4 (2 Record, 1 Album, 1 Song)
Elton John - 4 (3 Album, 1 Record)

I'm not overly familiar with older patterns, but it seems clear these more recent "biggest losers" fit into the 'urban' umbrella in some form.

[mahogany soul]

I guess since "Fearless" won Album of the Year that's why Taylor Swift beat Carrie in Female Vocal for "White Horse" over "Just a Dream," but grrrrrr she didn't deserve it. I really can't argue with any of Carrie's wins for Vocal Performance. I'm glad she won again for "Something in the Water".

[tonygoldenemmy]

Vintage Grammys, you say?

Top 10 All-Time Winners for...

Album of the Year
1. Fleetwood Mac, Rumours
2. Alanis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill
3. U2, The Joshua Tree
4. Judy Garland, Judy at Carnegie Hall
5. Bee Gees/Various Artists, Saturday Night Fever
6. Stevie Wonder, Songs in the Key of Life
7. Frank Sinatra, September of My Years
8. Paul Simon, Still Crazy After All These Years
9. George Michael, Faith
10. Bonnie Raitt, Nick of Time

Record of the Year
1. Roberta Flack, "Killing Me Softly with His Song"
2. Henry Mancini, "Moon River"
3. Billy Joel, "Just the Way You Are"
4. Seal, "Kiss from a Rose"
5. Roberta Flack, "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face"
6. Tina Turner, "What's Love Got to Do with It"
7. Coldplay, "Clocks"
8. Sheryl Crow, "All I Wanna Do"
9. Eric Clapton, "Change the World"
10. Carole King, "It's Too Late"

Song of the Year
1. Judy Collins, "Send in the Clowns"
2. James Taylor/Carole King, "You've Got a Friend"
3. Willie Nelson, "Always on My Mind"
4. Roberta Flack, "Killing Me Softly with His Song"
5. Billy Joel, "Just the Way You Are"
6. The Police, "Every Breath You Take"
7. Tina Turner, "What's Love Got to Do with It"
8. Peabo Bryson/Regina Belle, "A Whole New World"
9. Alicia Keys, "Fallin'"
10. Coldplay, "Viva la Vida"

New Artist
1. The Beatles
2. Carly Simon
3. The Carpenters
4. Tom Jones
5. America
6. Sheryl Crow
7. Bette Midler
8. Mariah Carey
9. Christina Aguilera
10. Cyndi Lauper

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(02-28-2015 01:44 AM)tonygoldenemmy Wrote:  Vintage Grammys, you say?

Top 10 All-Time Winners for...

This looks fun. I'll mull it over and post later.

Quote:New Artist

Do you go by the work they were nominated for, the promise they showed, or the actual career they had?

[tonygoldenemmy]

With Best New Artist, I mostly considered how I view their wins now, in hindsight. I mean, Rickie Lee Jones, Culture Club and especially Lauryn Hill put out some marvelous work at the time, but never really managed to follow-up.

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I figured, but Tom Jones at #4 and America at #5 is really throwing me off!

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To piggy back off tonygoldenemmy, I'll contribute my Top 10 Winners. These are mostly based on my favorites, but with a slight bit of objective context mixed in. I also note where I would have chosen a different winner from the nominees.

Album of the Year
1. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Lauryn Hill
2. Faith - George Michael
3. Jagged Little Pill - Alanis Morissette (wish there was a tie between this, Daydream, and Relish!)
4. Songs in the Key of Life - Stevie Wonder
5. Thriller - Michael Jackson
6. The September of My Years - Frank Sinatra (The Beatles' Help! would have been deserving, too)
7. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac
8. The Joshua Tree - U2
9. Speakerboxx/The Love Below - Outkast
10. 21 - Adele
Runner-up - Tapestry (Carole King)

Record of the Year - I actually found this category to have the worst winners overall.
1. "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" - Roberta Flack
2. "Somebody That I Used To Know" - Gotye f/ Kimbra
3. "Rosanna"- Toto
4. "Higher Love" - Steve Winwood
5. "Moon River" - Henry Mancini
6. "Bridge Over Troubled Water" - Simon & Garfunkel ("Let It Be" would be my pick)
7. "Don't Know Why" - Norah Jones
8. "Just the Way You Are" - Billy Joel
9. "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" - Green Day (one of the better line-ups; all are strong)
10. "Rolling in the Deep" - Adele
Runner-up - "Not Ready To Make Nice" (Dixie Chicks) I guess. Honestly it was a struggle to find a top 10; not a ton of winners I truly love.

Song of the Year - This category surprised me; overall it's surprisingly strong apart from the late 80s and early 90s.
1. "Moon River"
2. "Bridge Over Troubled Water" (hard to pick between this and "Let It Be" and wish they had split Record and Song)
3. "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face"
4. "Always on My Mind"
5. "Every Breath You Take"
6. "Tears In Heaven"
7. "Streets of Philadelphia"
8. "You've Got A Friend" ("Help Me Make It Through The Night" would have been just as deserving if not more)
9. "The Way We Were"
10. "Killing Me Softly With His Song" (I would have gone with "You're So Vain" but it's a solid group of nominees)
Runner-up - "Just The Way You Are" (Billy Joel)

Best New Artist - For a category that's supposedly cursed, there have been some legendary winners.
1. The Beatles
2. Mariah Carey
*Objectively those two have easily had the biggest careers in music of all the winners.
3. Sade
4. Sheryl Crow (Green Day would have been just as deserving to me)
5. The Carpenters (Elton John should have won and would be #2 or #3 in my top 10)
6. Carrie Underwood
7. Toni Braxton
8. Better Midler
9. John Legend
10. Natalie Cole
Could join my top 10 fairly soon - Adele and Zac Brown Band

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I'm old, so here you go......

Album of the Year-
1. The Beatles- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
2. Stevie Wonder- Innervisions
3. Michael Jackson- Thriller
4. Simon & Garfunkel- Bridge over Troubled Water
5. Fleetwood Mac- Rumours
6. Carole King- Tapestry
7. OutKast- Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
8. U2- The Joshua Tree
9. Bob Dylan- Time Out of Mind
10. Stevie Wonder- Songs in the Key of Life

Record of the Year
1. The Eagles- "Hotel California"
2. Simon & Garfunkel- "Bridge over Troubled Water"
3. Simon & Garfunkel- "Mrs. Robinson"
4. Michael Jackson- "Beat It"
5. Amy Winehouse- "Rehab"
6. Tony Bennett- "I Left My Heart in San Francisco"
7. Carole King- "It's Too Late"
8. Bobby Darin- "Mack the Knife"
9. Roberta Flack- "Killing Me Softly with His Song"
10. Coldplay- "Clocks"

Song of the Year
1. Paul Simon- Bridge over Troubled Water
2. Sting- Every Breath You Take
3. Amy Waterhouse- Rehab
4. Bruce Springsteen- Streets of Philadelphia
5. Carole King- You've Got a Friend
6. Henry Mancini, Johnny Mercer- Moon River
7. Norman Gimbel, Charles Fox- Killing Me Softly with His Song
8. Graham Lyle, Terry Britten- What's Love Got to Do with It
9. U2- Beautiful Day
10. Seal- Kiss from a Rose

New artist? I couldn't come up with 10. It's basically The Beatles and everybody else.

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We've mentioned here before that nothing classified as R&B or Rap by the Grammys has won Record of the Year. In looking through the ROTY nominees, it's interesting that Stevie Wonder only had 1 nomination in Record (for "You Are The Sunshine of My Life") despite winning Album of the Year 3 times. It all seems to random, yet at the same time why can Alicia Keys and Beyonce win in Song but not Record, and why can Lauryn Hill and Outkast win in Album but not Record?

Also, I knew The Beatles only won Album once, but I didn't realize they were nominated 4 other times.

[tonygoldenemmy]

Ranking the years when The Beatles garnered an Album nod...

1. Help!, The Beatles
2. September of My Years, Frank Sinatra*
3. My Name Is Barbra, Barbra Streisand
4. The Sound of Music Soundtrack, Various Artists
5. My World, Eddy Arnold

1. Color Me Barbra, Barbra Streisand
2. Revolver, The Beatles
3. A Man and His Music, Frank Sinatra*
4. What Now, My Love?, Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass
5. Doctor Zhivago Soundtrack, Maurice Jarre

1. Ode to Billie Joe, Bobbie Gentry
2. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles*
3. Francis Albert Sinatra & Antonio Carlos Jobim, Frank Sinatra & Antonio Carlos Jobim
4. It Must Be Him, Vicki Carr
5. My Cup Runneth Over, Ed Ames

1. Bookends, Simon & Garfunkel
2. Magical Mystery Tour, The Beatles
3. By the Time I Get to Phoenix, Glen Campbell*
4. Feliciano!, Jose Feliciano
5. A Tramp Shining, Richard Harris

1. Crosby, Stills & Nash, Crosby, Stills & Bash
2. Abbey Road, The Beatles
3. Blood, Sweat and Tears, Blood, Sweat and Tears*
4. The Age of Aquarius, The 5th Dimension
5. At San Quentin, Johnny Cash

*the actual winner