ATP/WTA 2?: Unchained Meldonium

venom1976 · 03-17-2016, 01:50 PM

I don't think she's hit one over 100, and I'm not sure she's gotten a particularly great percentage of first serves in as compensation.

But I notice it with Serena in Australia.

Dr.ciski77 · 03-17-2016, 02:46 PM

The Bryans just blew 8 MPs (7 of them consecutive) to Roger-Vasselin and Zimonjic. I'd never seen something like that happen.

***misplaced validity*** · 03-18-2016, 12:04 AM

I'd love to see stats on the average 1st and 2nd serves across all WTA players and how it compares to 10-15 years ago. It feels like on the whole it wouldn't be any better and could even be worse.

Dr.ciski77 · (This post was last modified: 03-18-2016 01:05 AM by Dr.ciski77.)

In terms of speed, quantity, or effectiveness? I have tapes from the 1990 US Open where Navratilova's 90 mph first serves are praised as some sort of a novelty, and then tapes from 1999 where Seles, Davenport and the like are serving 100 mph routinely. I'd say that service speed has gotten definitely bigger, but except from Serena, no one really gets a significant advantage out of it. Halep last night was pathetic in that regard.

***misplaced validity*** · 03-18-2016, 01:12 AM

(03-18-2016 01:04 AM)Dr.ciski77 Wrote: In terms of speed, quantity, or effectiveness? I have tapes from the 1990 US Open where Navratilova's 90 mph first serves are praised as some sort of a novelty, and then tapes from 1999 where Seles, Davenport and the like are serving 100 mph routinely. I'd say that service speed has gotten definitely bigger, but except from Serena, no one really gets a significant advantage out of it. Halep last night was pathetic in that regard.

It makes sense that from 1990 to 1999 serve speed would have increased. We are now nearly 20 years removed from 1999 (!!); have general serve speeds increased? I really don't know. But, yeah, more so the point is very few female players seem to have a reliable serve that can win them games on a consistent basis.

***misplaced validity*** · 03-18-2016, 03:23 AM

In beating Kvitova in the QF, Radwanska assured herself of moving to #2 in the rankings.

venom1976 · 03-18-2016, 07:26 AM

(03-18-2016 01:12 AM)misplaced validity Wrote: But, yeah, more so the point is very few female players seem to have a reliable serve that can win them games on a consistent basis.

Other than Serena, who else? Maybe Keys? I thought one of the Pliskovas had a big serve, but I'm not sure.

***misplaced validity*** · 03-18-2016, 07:58 AM

(03-18-2016 07:26 AM)venom1976 Wrote:
(03-18-2016 01:12 AM)misplaced validity Wrote: But, yeah, more so the point is very few female players seem to have a reliable serve that can win them games on a consistent basis.

Other than Serena, who else? Maybe Keys? I thought one of the Pliskovas had a big serve, but I'm not sure.

And even then, it's not like Keys or Pliskova hold serve enough to be top players (apparently not, anyway). I'm not sure they use their serve well as much as they just have mph.

venom1976 · 03-18-2016, 08:15 AM

Well Isner and Karlovic aren't top players either by the same standard.

***misplaced validity*** · (This post was last modified: 03-18-2016 08:56 AM by misplaced validity.)

(03-18-2016 08:15 AM)venom1976 Wrote: Well Isner and Karlovic aren't top players either by the same standard.

Well, they hold serve a lot. Do Keys and Pliskova?

Do you think female players use their serves (or more so hold serve) as effectively as male players?

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