72nd Emmy Awards (2019/2020)

[NUguy514]

I will say that the one bit I really didn't like was burning the envelope. The entire West Coast has been on fire for two weeks, so it was really tone deaf.

[misplaced validity]

What about the father/daughter wins for Ron and Jasmine Cephas Jones?

[NUguy514]

I didn't need Ron to win again (I was really happy with his first win, though), but I'm thrilled for Jasmine.

[emmygrammyoscartony]

https://variety.com/2020/tv/awards/zenda...234763523/

So fucking cool.

And I did not know the one who held the record was Comer last year. Awesome that the Emmys went with Zendaya (Nathaniel called it when the noms came out), especially given her age and the role.

[malcolm1980]

Broadcast television was completely shut out of wins at the Emmy broadcast this week. The total Emmy haul of the big four networks COMBINED is only 18. HBO and Netflix each have more than that.

I find it might interesting that the Emmys have only gone to really 3-5 networks for much of the first half of its existence. Cable was ruled eligible in the mid-80's and that got the ball rolling. Then The Sopranos happened and that was the beginning of the end of broadcast networks' dominance. When the Emmys allowed streaming content to compete, it was the final nail in the coffin.

Though there are still good stuff in broadcast TV, they can have a hard time competing with the budgets, the prestige factor, the lack of censorship and the creative freedom of streaming platforms and cable networks.

Knowing this, my question for the board is: do you think broadcast networks should have their own separate Emmys?

[emmygrammyoscartony]

Nope. Broadcast networks need to step up their game.

[misplaced validity]

There are - and have been - quality network shows in the past decade. I just don't think they are 'cool' enough now to win. The Good Place, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The Good Wife, black-ish, etc were all great network shows from the past decade that have only won a few (or in some cases 0) Emmys.

[venom1976]

(09-24-2020 03:27 PM)malcolm1980 Wrote:  Knowing this, my question for the board is: do you think broadcast networks should have their own separate Emmys?

I don’t see why the fact that the broadcast networks aren’t winning awards indicates that something is broken with the awards. What’s broken is broadcast television.

[Culturegeek]

(09-24-2020 03:27 PM)malcolm1980 Wrote:  Though there are still good stuff in broadcast TV, they can have a hard time competing with the budgets, the prestige factor, the lack of censorship and the creative freedom of streaming platforms and cable networks.

Knowing this, my question for the board is: do you think broadcast networks should have their own separate Emmys?

Hmmm....

Honestly, I'm mixed. I think that budget/lack of censorship/"creative freedom" aspect is what gives cable/streaming platforms "the prestige factor," but I've gotta admit I think that it almost feels like those things become bait in an of themselves with ATAS. The bigger stars drift towards the bigger budget shows (or where they score bigger paydays). The thing that strikes me is that the shows that do television best - the shows that can combine the cinematic with the novelistic, can do so regardless of that divide. And that's what streaming (with the ability to binge) understood right off the hop.

But I also think that ATAS, having gotten so use to thinking of cable (and now streaming) as bait and network as pablum, is at fault. MV accurately points out the failure of critically acclaimed network shows to not breakthrough (that The Good Place could only get Ted Danson, a television legend, nominated at first), even when they occupy a cablesque space (shorter runs, more complicated approach to narrative).

Though, frankly, I'll also toss out there that Schitt's Creek, while popularized by cable and is on cable in the USA, is a network show for all intents and purposes that doesn't have the budget we associate with cable shows

[NUguy514]

(09-25-2020 02:00 PM)Culturegeek Wrote:  But I also think that ATAS, having gotten so use to thinking of cable (and now streaming) as bait and network as pablum, is at fault. MV accurately points out the failure of critically acclaimed network shows to not breakthrough (that The Good Place could only get Ted Danson, a television legend, nominated at first), even when they occupy a cablesque space (shorter runs, more complicated approach to narrative).

Though, frankly, I'll also toss out there that Schitt's Creek, while popularized by cable and is on cable in the USA, is a network show for all intents and purposes that doesn't have the budget we associate with cable shows

Yes, to all of this.