RNR Hall of Fame discussion

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Kate Bush is more influential to me than Carly Simon or Lionel Richie, though I'm glad to see Richie there just so it isn't an all-white class (Dionne Warwick should be in too, though).

[Brad]

2023 nominees:

*Kate Bush
*Sheryl Crow
* Missy Elliott
* Iron Maiden
* Joy Division/New Order
* Cyndi Lauper
* George Michael
* Willie Nelson
* Rage Against The Machine
* Soundgarden
* The Spinners
* Tribe Called Quest
* The White Stripes
* Warren Zevon

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Nice. I can't say any of those are bad nominees, even if I wish some other people were on there.

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Inductees announced:

George Michael (Performer)
Sheryl Crow (Performer)
Willie Nelson (Performer)
Missy Elliott (Performer)
Kate Bush (Performer)
The Spinners (Performer)
Rage Against the Machine (Performer)

Chaka Khan (Musical Excellence)
Al Kooper (Musical Excellence)
Bernie Taupin (Musical Excellence)
DJ Kool Herc (Musical Excellence)
Link Wray (Musical Excellence)

Don Cornelius (Ahmet Ertegun Award)

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Jann Wenner has apparently been removed from the Board for this Hall of Fame Foundation after doing a racist interview with the NY Times where he said his book only features white men because women and Black artists aren't intellectual enough about music. Even though this removal is basically performative, good riddance!!

We need to talk about how this man - who founded Rolling Stone - has helped shape how many people view "rock and roll." If the gatekeepers of these platforms that define "rock and roll" and "popular culture" for many engage in systemic racism, it of course extends out in all areas. Hopefully the enlightenment coming with all of this gets people to reconsider their view of "rock and roll" (i.e. it's not just white guys with guitars).

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The next set of nominees are out:

Mary J. Blige
Mariah Carey
Cher
Dave Matthews Band
Eric B. & Rakim
Foreigner
Peter Frampton
Jane's Addiction
Kool & the Gang
Lenny Kravitz
Oasis
Sinéad O'Connor
Ozzy Osbourne
Sade
A Tribe Called Quest

I think Mariah and Cher are easily the most influential artists in this group, for whatever that's worth.
Oasis and Peter Frampton seem like the weakest nominees to me.

I'm rooting for Mariah, Cher, Kool & The Gang, Sade, Foreigner, and Sinead.

[Brad]

This year’s inductees:

Ozzy Osborne
Cher
A Tribe Called Quest
Dave Matthew’s Band
Mary J. Blige
Peter Frampton
Foreigner
Kool & The Gang

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Since Ozzy is already in as part of Black Sabbath, I don't fully understand the need for him to also get in as a solo artist but whatever; I like his solo work better than his BS work.

Foreigner is odd to me. Are they really Hall of Fame worthy? I'm a fairly avid music fan and know maybe 4 songs by them. More so, did they change music in any real way? Maybe the addition of gospel choirs to pop music?

I don't understand Peter Frampton's inclusion, but he apparently did more than I realize.

Dave Matthews Band is a group who has some music I enjoy and they have an avid following, but have they influenced music in any real way?

I'm happy for May J Blige, but it's odd to me she got in over Mariah when Mariah debuted earlier than Mary J and was an influence on Mary J.